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Hungarian Man Loses Manhood in Serbian Robbery
This one just off the wires: A Hungarian man was castrated during a robbery attempted in the Hungarian-rich northern Serbian city of Szabadka/Subotica. According to index.hu, 43-year-old P. Károly was attacked by four men wearing ski masks. After staggering to an area hospital, he was operated on, and is now in "stable" condition, though will have to take hormones for the rest of his life. Nándor Selymesi, the hospital's urulogist, later told Duna TV that P.'s testicles had been removed with the "precision of a butcher."
While the past few weeks have seen a slew of brutal crimes in the city, there is apparently no evidence that the latest attack was motivated by ethnic hatred. Last Saturday, Miladin Krstić an ethnic Serb member of the Spartacus basketball team was knifed in the street. Unlike P. Károly, Krstić is expected to make a full recover, and be back playing ball within a few weeks.
UPDATE: So about a dozen people have called, emailed and IM'ed us this morning to point us to this follow-up story which brings us the even more nutty news that the guy actually cut his own nuts off. He apparently did it to himself at home using a razor because he had some "medical problems," and then decided to pull a Tawana by saying he'd been "fixed" during a robbery. Not that we can fault him: it would have taken real balls to admit what he'd done, but after he'd done it, he didn't have none.
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Im originally from Australia. I Have settled in Hungary to live and work and experience Europe. I was born in Australia however my parents are Hungarian and I did learn to speak a little Hungarian and I am looking for a friend or campanion.
I am outgoing, free thinking and love to enjoy life, which life to me is a mystery which I hope to solve, and if I dont I can say at least I didn't die not trying.
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yupp, hotpaprika does carry the hungarian gene. he capitalizes dining!! a way to a man's heart in this case is still through his stomach.
that self castration story smells of bull, in fact very similar bull to the girl who was attached for speaking hungarian and was then accused of lieing and threatened with a lawsuit!?
the original report specifically mentioned that it was an expert job by someone who knew what s/he was doing. pair that with self mutilation even by the bravest of souls....honestly, dudes?! anybody who (no matter) how skilled would go to their tool shed, have ample light, anesthesia/palinka, visibility and stamina to do the job expertly on themselves???? wtf
anybody who believes that story i would like to talk to about buying that nice large domed structure along the danube.
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Hi,
Im originally from Australia. I Have settled in Hungary to live and work and experience Europe. I was born in Australia however my parents are Hungarian and I did learn to speak a little Hungarian and I am looking for a friend or campanion.
I am outgoing, free thinking and love to enjoy life, which life to me is a mystery which I hope to solve, and if I dont I can say at least I didn't die not trying.
I enjoy fitness , martial arts, alternative lifestyle, live music, jazz, dancing, Dinning, cooking, outdoors, beaches, forrests, nature, reading, movies and meeting interesting positive people. So if you like to meet and chat please dont hesitate to get intouch.
Can you guys block whichever c**t is doing this? It's creepy. In the meantime, turns out the Silver Surfer is not the same bloke I knew of.
I'll start zapping these duplicate "false" hotpaprika posts if I see another one. In the meantime, I'll confirm that this most recent post is from neither Hungary or Australia, but Englewood, Colorado, IP #168.143.185.181.
Erik,
The so called "Magyar Nacivadasz Szovetseg" just admitted being the "mastermind" behind this childish attack on Hotpaprika. It's easy to recognize them, they are not exactly brilliant. If you could get rid of them it would improve things around here, and we could go back to our normal, civilized mud-slinging.
I have no problem being called all sorts of names in the heat of an argument, I may respond with the same, but I would never disclose any personal information. I know everything about Joe, for example, he called me "idiot" on a number of occasions, but I would not think of going as low as these nacivadasz kids, and disclose his info. It's just unacceptable. Even the internet should have a basic code of conduct. Dammit.
I second Stan's motion (for once).
The way to keep this debate open and honest is to be able to have it without your personal privacy being invaded.
Let's slag each other off and disagree by all means, but leave each others identity and personal information out of this.
N.V.Sz: You aren't doing anyone any favours by feeding paranoia.
G
Yeah, they bug me, too: I mean, one of the justifications for the government going after kuruc.info was that it provided info on individuals it didn't like. They are doing the same. But this is not surprising: whenever some group feels they are fighting evil, they will always do things to their opponents that they would say were illegitimate if done to them.
@Stan: Until you lot came along people did actually discuss things discursively. More importantly, with a sense of perspective, self-mockery and doubt. You, Ricsi and HP were and are just parasites.
This is a useful reminder that it's probably best not to shoot your mouth off when seemingly anonymous if you are not willing to stand by your beliefs and arguments by name. Blogs and forums give people a false sense of security that let's them cathartically exorcise their Ids and lose contact with the Super-ego (I thought HP would appreciate the psychology bollocks).
As for you knowing who Joe is, who doesn't, but who cares? You and your gang are clueless amateurs, despite your puffed up protestations to the contrary. I would be surprised if anyone who wanted to know who you all are doesn't - it's not like you made it even slightly difficult.
The difference is both you and Ricsi directly and indirectly hinted at violence and reprisals outwith these forums. That really isn't on. Put that in your 'code of conduct'.
Useful Hungarian phrases you probably won't hear on Ricsi or HP's lips (if only 'cause they hardly speak the language) to describe the situation they have got themselves into: "Ki mint vet, úgy arat." (you reap what you sow). : "Bármit is teszünk, rajtunk csattan az ostor." (Damned if we do, damned if we don't).
As to whether this is right or wrong, I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else can enlighten me to the conflict between the right to free speech and that of anonymity.
I have been watching this drama and thought about this article that I read relating to the use of internet forums in research.
According to Eysenbach & Till (2001), even though a forum may be viewable by the public, it does not necessarily mean that the right to privacy or even informed consent is waived.
"Although publication on the internet may have parallels to publishing a letter in a newspaper or saying something in a public meeting, there are important psychological differences, and people participating in an online discussion group cannot always be assumed to be "seeking public visibility." On the internet the dichotomy of private and public sometimes may not be appropriate, and communities lie in between." (Ibid, p1104)
The use of pseudonyms for posting as a matter of course implies the expectation of privacy, and as such, the failure to respect this is unethical.
My apologies for failing to post the reference for the above comment.
Eysenbach, G., and Till, J. E., 2001, 'Ethical Issues in Qualitative Research on Internet Communities', British Medical Journal, Vol. 323
@anon600ad: It would be an interesting twist of fate to have them quoting researchers of potentially Polish-Jewish extraction in their defense.
The argument of peripheral participation and anonymity often comes up in research and is the basis of much of the controversy currently with Google and their user policies (as well as the social networking websites). But whilst one can believe oneself or hope that one is anonymous that is not equivalent to a guarantee of anonymity. For this the website policy would have to explicitly grant such. These websites do not and could not given their choice of platforms and tools. The question is whether one reasonably and justifiably believed that steps to protect personal anonymity were in place.
I've run into this problem in academic research and it really made things difficult for me. But I believe that real-world live forums are not subject to these same conditions or restrictions, unless a user policy, privacy policy and various other features are in place. This is not the case here.
As you quote "the dichotomy of private and public sometimes may not be appropriate, and communities lie in between". This is a spectrum and I think it's pretty clear which side of the line these lie on, as opposed to the personal security and privacy guarantees implied in facebook's user policy.
Vandorlo thinks (?): "You, Ricsi and HP were and are just parasites".
Well, you seem to be quite obsessed with me. Why don't you just ignore my posts and continue with your lofty discussions.
You remind me of a very small and angry chihuahua, trying to bark like a big dog. Get a mirror.
Van: I have no great love of HP or his comments, but neither do I think that what has happened here helps to 'expose' anything other than that there are extremists at both ends of the scale. In that sense, the "Magyar Nacivadasz Szovetseg" only exposes itself as an equally unbalanced bunch. It certainly doesn't win any sympathy from me. If nothing else, I think that resorting to these kinds of tactics just makes it a race to the bottom, just the same as the seemingly endless ad hominem arguments divert attention from the issues; with posts degenerating into character assassinations.
As for the surnames of authors...well, I don't really give a rat's a... what an author's surname is. For all I know, Eysenbach might be the descendant of a Hungarian. My Surname doesn't suggest that I'm from the country I was born in. I try to base my views on authors' work on the quality of the argument and how far it goes towards inspiring or challenging me.
I think there is an expectation of privacy in even this forum that can only be waived by the person posting. There is such a thing as free speech, that co-exists with right to privacy, even in forums.
True, the article I posted relates to academic research, and not so much posting in a web forum, but nevertheless, how can a person or group claim some kind of moral superiority while exhibiting the very same kind of behaviour that they claim to find offensive?
@Stan: "Get a mirror." I think that's were you're going wrong. You need to put yours down and start interacting with other people for a change.
Oh, my previous post was very disjointed. Has been a long day and I've had the mother of all migraines that just won't go away. Apologies.
@anon600ad:"...makes it a race to the bottom." I feel the same about all this. The escalation of intimidation and tension is bound result in a lot of collateral damage. What is called for, is for just what you say, a de-escalations in this and people to start trying (or at least pretending to try) to engage in discussion - with the sense of humour that was once more commonplace. HP and Ricsi's 'open your eyes' mantra was as pathetic as it was irritating.
On the research point, I would only add that I had made it clear to HP, Ricsi and the rest that their identities were exposed and easy to find out (for those who know), so they cannot possibly argue ignorance of that fact. Given that the website never provided them with the level of anonymity they desired they further exacerbated this by not taking any measures themselves (far from it) - even though Stan had explicitly claimed he knew and used such techniques (though he clearly doesn't use them). There are free, open source tools that you can easily configure for yourselves if this is important to you.
Vandorlo - Be very careful, Parasite-Stan has a 160 IQ. I am pretty sure he can find you by just thinking about you.
I'm not entirely a fan of "exposing" people for obvious reasons. I don't know if this HP is the real HP or not, but my concern is if it's not and the wrong guy has now been "revealed."
Funny how all this sympathy talk about Hot Paprika occurs on a post about a Hungarian man losing his manhood. Coincidence?
Curious George,
It's not really a "symathy talk about H.P.", more like a discussion on how low can someone go when they are incapable of rational arguments. Privacy should be off limits. Anything else goes. You know, "sticks and stones..."
The extremist group that calls itself "Nacivadasz Szovetseg" has violated the internet code of ethics. We rarely agree on anything except for this one. It's a start.
C'm,
Get over your IQ-envy already. If you have never taken a test, don't worry, it's pretty simple, mostly basic problem-solving and tricky questions, math and general knowledge. Personality and political views are not tested. You can find out more about a person if you just talk to them. In person.
Stan,
All of a sudden you have a line that should not be crossed. Interesting...
Erik,
The question is: should there be such a line and if so where should it be drawn?
Is it OK for Hotpaprika to salute his Fuehrer (as he did) but not OK to link him to his statements?You didn't censor any of their offending (and highly repetitive) posts.
Who was harmed more, HP or the targets of his venom? I still think that the best solution is to segregate ALL extremists (nazis and nazihunters) to a separate section, like pornography. I realize, of course, that the freedom of the press (along with the headache) belongs to you.
Hotpaprika,
Why don't you tell us your side of the story? Is it really you? Did you post any of this stuff?
Ricsi,
Where are you? What say you?
Gulliver, don't invite them back. We've been enjoying some semblance of normal conversation in their absence.
Stanley
Sorry dude, you told everyone, in your most impressive voice, you had a 160 IQ. Don't hide from it, you're a genius. Really, you don't need to say so much as people can glean it from your intellectually enlightened posts.
Oh, and for the record I will never forget you claimed you have a 160 IQ, my guess is that you are dyslexic and really mean 106, or more likely 061.
I don't put Stan in the same category as HP or Ricsi. There have been a few times I've actually agreed with what he said, or at least, have been able to understand his point of view even if it was different to mine. There have been times when his words have really grated on me, but hey, at least he takes himself seriously most of the time.
By the way, why did my earlier post get zapped? Was there some magic key word in there that is forbidden? It was obviously up there long enough for Van to answer it.
ok, now I think I'm just going crazy. I could have sworn my other post had gone missing in action. Maybe it's time for some stronger drugs and/or alcohol.
I meant to say too...Stan can't be all bad, he owns a B3. At least he has good taste. Stan, who are your influences? (if you don't mind me asking)
Minsztrel,
I think they are and have been here all along, hiding behind various aliases.
anon600ad,
I agree with you about Stan. He is not exactly like Ricsi and Hotpaprika. Vandorlo has a good analysis of this somewhere. Stan really is smarter than the other two, and he sometimes makes plausible arguments. He is also right sometimes.
The problem is his value system, which is exactly the same as Ricsi's and HP's, that is totally amoral and immoral. His values are those of a gang or tribe member. To him it doesn't matter what is said or what is true, only who said it. Not what was done and why, only who did it.
Example: to him gypsies are nothing but a criminal and inferior minority, while palestinians are purely opressed victims of genocide and war crimes. To him, Jews are guilty wherever they are and whatever they do, in Hungary, in Israel or in America. Never mind the facts. For him Morvai Krisztina is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable solution.
Gulliver: "I still think that the best solution is to segregate ALL extremists (nazis and nazihunters) to a separate section, like pornography."
The thing is, part of the upside of having the voices of HP, Ricsi and (to a lesser extent Stan), is that we get to hear their philosophy and then attack it with some common sense; to undo some their "logic" is quite cathartic at times. It is also good to question my own assupmtions, as I don't think I have a monopoly on "how things are".
By segregating them, we just allow them to carry on festering in their own self-righteous juices whilst feeding their conspiracy theories about how only they are "awake". Locking them in a room with themselves just propogates the wankfest and the sort of in-breeding that gives birth to the extreme moron.
Having said that, there is a point where the dialogue melts down into personal insult and repetitive faeces throwing; it becomes as boring and predictable as watching three year olds snatch toys of each other.
It may well be that you need a "blog fight club" or an "outside", so that when people are feeling the need to let rip and just get into insulting everyone, they can take it there, exorcise their deomons and then rejoin for some adult conversation when they have had their hissy fit.
At the end of the day, the blog owner runs it as he wants and calls the shots,we can either live with that or piss off somewhere else.
Gargoyle-
I think Gulliver nailed it. I don't really find it cathartic to read and debate endless crap which is not in the realm of human decency. Why debate someone who thinks black are genetically inferior, or that the Nazi's didn't try to exterminate Jews from Europe, or that Roma should be sent packing to somewhere else. Speaking with them like rational human beings is a futile exercise. The main problem I have with liberals (a US definition, not classical) is that they think they can ration with these loons and given enough time and quality debate they will come around. If only someone had been able to show Hitler/Stalin/PolPot/Mao the error of their ways...
No, I say sent them back to their caves where they can continue to inbred while the world passes them by. Luckily Stan has a 160 IQ so he can be these mongoloid's leader.
@ C'est moi
"Why debate someone who thinks black are genetically inferior, or that the Nazi's didn't try to exterminate Jews from Europe, or that Roma should be sent packing to somewhere else. Speaking with them like rational human beings is a futile exercise"
For me, it's to highlight how stupid those concepts are.
Don't get me wrong, I do not believe for one second that anything I say will change their minds, or that I will somehow string together the magic words that make them see sense. I just enjoy voicing the other side of the argument for myself. If I didn't then I would choose to ignore them; also my perogative.
In addition, and as this blog is about life in Budapest, I think that its also true, but unfortunate, that xenophobia and racism do have a role here that is different to that in the countries where alot of us grew up and were educated.
I think (hope) that for some people the opportunity to see a debate with two-sides may give a more rounded perspective,rather than listen to the likes of Morvai, MIEP, Jobbik etc.
Once it gets insulting and stupid, I agree with you , that ther eis no point in engaging them further, but at that point they have also lost their argument.
Anyhow, to paraphrase George Orwell; free speech, if it means anything at all, is the right to tell people that which they may not want to hear"
Like I said before, the blog owner sets those parameters; and we work with them - or not, as we see fit.
G
@klara /"that self castration story smells of bull" to high heaven... It reminds me of stuff in the Soviet media about someone beating himself to death or rolling himself in a carpet and jumping out the window. And castration is such a typical Gypsy crime... I bet it's either the cops suppressing what actually happened because the Gypsy situation is explosive enough as it is or the Gypsys, loan sharks probably collecting a debt, forced the victim to recant or else. Poor guy.
@Vándorló /"Blogs and forums give people a false sense of security…" Another threat. How boring. "Ki mint vet, úgy arat." (you reap what you sow). : "Bármit is teszünk, rajtunk csattan az ostor." Damned if we do, damned if we don't). Szászlódíszpe ál a schorokschári tschárda, mék a fándorló isch kitesz ety kokárta, áki nem tut jó mátyár peszélni, ánnák nem less tyere pe! Hollári, hollári hó… "Perhaps someone else can enlighten me to the conflict between the right to free speech and that of anonymity" It should be the right to free *dialog* ,probably, which anonymity is part and parcel of since reprisals are reasonably feared in an era of "holocaust denial" as witnessed by the sad faith of David Irving, Bishop Williamson et al.
anon600ad:
"Stan can't be all bad, he owns a B3. At least he has good taste. Stan, who are your influences? (if you don't mind me asking)".
Thank you.
I think my main influence was Keith Emerson of ELP.
Back in the early '70s, in the age of guitar bands it was inspiring to find someone who can play the daylight out of a Hammond organ and still be hip and fairly popular. I started taking piano lessons at age 5, mostly classical music of course. Then in my teenage years I got the rock band bug, and played the guitar for a while, not having other options, keyboards were not as powerful and portable as they are today. Playing gigs in rural Hungary meant playing the popular dance tunes or risking the anger of locals in the form of beer bottles and other flying objects. So I was playing the same old, same old, when I bought a record collection, including four or five ELP albums. Listening to those changed my world.
I know many great jazz and blues organists, and I love to listen to their music, but it was ELP that turned me to the right direction.
Gargoyle,
I agree with everything you said.
However, we would not lose access to their opinions by segregating them. You and I could still read their stuff and argue with them all we want. The only difference would be that all this would be in a separate location, just one click and a disclaimer away, but on the same site. You know, 'separate but equal'. The main benefit would be that all the mudslinging would not be directly in our faces.
I also agree that the owner sets the parameters. For my part I will accept whatever decision he makes. These are just suggestions, trying to be helpful.
Oh, and I did not mean to suggest moral equivalency between nazis and nazi-hunters. Sorry. As far as I'm concerned there should be open season on nazis.
C'est moi,
I agree with you, too.
People who don't respect basic rules of conduct shouldn't expect respect.
Fair points all.
(I agree with you Gulliver about neo-facists as well as racists and other hate mongers; open season.)
So, I guess it's up to the boss - can we have a "fight club" for no-holds barred verbal fisty cuffs for those with too much verbal testosterone ?
First rule of blog fight club: You have to talk about it? :-)
G
@Visító: "Another threat. How boring." Ne értsd félre szándékosan! Nem akartam én fenyegetni, csak egy egyszerű megjegyzés volt. //o-o\\
I think there is more than one kind of 'respect'. I really don't like the way people like HP and Ricsi write. I often find it really pretty offensive to be honest. Nevertheless, I don't like the thought either that because someone does something that someone else finds offensive, it is ok to go ahead and expose their 'real life' identity.
There are two reasons for this.
First, in all reality, people like HP and Ricsi are probably relatively normal people who live relatively normal lives and use the internet as a place to say things that they probably can't say out loud in their day to day life. Such is the internet...it gives space and time to every thought and idea regardless. As such, I don't see the sense in taking such extreme steps. If anything, it just legitimizes inappropriate behaviour and gives the attention that is being sought.
Second, there is something of a principle here. I think it is 'right' to set an example of respect and dignity by not stooping to the same kind of tactics as the 'extremists'. I think it is hypocritical to use offensive language and tactics to attack something we find offensive. (...and please read this as me having looked at my own posting and the mistakes I've made, and thought long and hard about how I should write in the future.) What results is a situation not unlike so many conflicts where retaliation just meets retaliation to the point where the original problem becomes irrelevant. I am not saying we should have to make everything PC or water down our beliefs, I just think that there is more power in dignity and self-control than there is in mania and character assassination.
It is precisely because there are different versions of 'truth' or what is 'right', that we should ALL follow some kind of code of ethics, written or unspoken, which at the very least protects anonymity in forums like this. Getting to the point of doing IP searches on people I think is just kind of creepy and unnecessary. Who cares who another poster is? Furthermore, as I wrote before, the ad hominem attacks and accusations/assumptions of multiple posters being the same person are really just pointless and take up space that could be used for something far more interesting. I mean, I wonder sometimes about the identity of people, but really, this is Pestiside, not the UN security council. (sorry Erik) In the greater scheme of things, this little web site is hardly worth the mess of letting it take over your whole life.
@anon600ad: Fair points all. I have to admit the 'neolib' label annoys the hell out of me since I'm so antisocial I prefer to think I'm not part of any group. More than that I have never even pretended that there is an open and free market out there, though only someone cerebrally challenged (I wanted to say 'fools') would consider the size of the government apparatus here useful and healthy for poorer people in general.
Your points about language and behaviour are all reasonable and I'll do my best to hold my tongue - rather remain silent and not respond than echo the quality and content.
Stepping back a bit, I've been thinking about the reference you provided on the ethical aspects of this. This is, hopefully, an academic point now, but I have another reason for finding the reference problematic and that is it's age. I realise 2001 is not so long ago and the reasoning involved should still apply, but the medium to which it refers (that of the internet and social media in general) has changed so much in that time as to call into question is relevancy.
Since 2001 we have had the emergence or the coming of age of MySpace, Facebook, del.icio.us, Skype, OpenSocial, Wikis, Blogs, Micro-blogging (e.g. Twitter) etc... Back in 2001 the best we had was a few crappy wikis, forums and messaging clients (though inchoate versions of the dominant players now were around).
As a result of this burgeoning of social media security concerns and the level and nature of the disclosure of personal information (directly or indirectly) has become and remained topic of much debate. I think anyone would find it hard to claim naivete in their use of social media as to the inherent privacy concerns involved. This was not the case in 2001.
Since then we have also seen far more ingenious methods of information gathering develop. Phishing scams have increased exponentially, click-jacking has emerged, social engineering concerns is now part of basic induction training in a lot of firms...
It is a different internet we use now.
Van,
Yes, I can see what you mean. I still think though, that this only reinforces why it is so important for users to be responsible about respecting privacy. The rise of facebook etc scares me a bit. I mean, I don't want to be contacted by people I either don't like or don't want to remember. I don't really like 'people' at the best of times, and especially so when I am contacted in an unwelcome or unexpected way.
On the article itself...that particular article related to qualitative research of internet forums, not to chat programmes or social networking sites. More specifically it was about victim groups, illness survivor groups or special interest groups etc. I think in the context of this particular site, it is appropriate because it fits into the special interest category, and is a publicly viewable internet forum.
@Gullenberg, C'est lui, Ugly, Blackface & the other pompous asses /"I still think that the best solution is to segregate... nazis... to a separate section, like pornography…" [Blackface, panicking]: "Gulliver, don't invite them back. We've been enjoying some semblance of normal conversation in their absence…" (Sze Yuopin) "The main problem I have with liberals (a US definition, not classical) is that they think they can ration with these loons and given enough time and quality debate they will come around" You're as full of shit as you are full of yourselves! (Am I repeating myself?) Such CHUTZPA! Why don't we segregate YOU in an x-rated place? I mean ghettos are not exactly new to you, are they? How about 'kahal.org' or 'truebelievers.org(y)' where you could circle jerk about exterminating the real Semites, or Muslims for believing in God instead of the golden calf or one of your other hyper destructive pseudo religions. Or, you could bitch about the cheeky Goyim that refuse to submit and serve the master race without being interrupted by rude remarks. "personal insult and repetitive faeces throwing" Such as 'stupid, moron & mongoloid loons?' Who exactly is doing that? "[Stan's] values are those of a gang or tribe member" :-)) Look who is talking! A Dago telling us how organized crime is completely alien to him... Is there anyone more klanish, tribish, gangish than you people? I mean really... And, you keep foaming about Morvai for suing Israel for war crimes when war crimes *were and are* committed. Can't say what's wrong with that, or which of her charges are untrue. You just know that only killing "Jews" or "Gays" is genocide. Grotesque and annoying like hell but also very, VERY, I mean *extremely* FUNNY...
@VándorLoo /Lehet, hogy félreértettelek, de nem szándékosan. Meg fenyegetőztél is eleget ahhoz, hogy az ilyesmi előfordulhasson…
Visitor,
My suggestion was to segregate people who exhibit extremist and uncivilized behavior.
What criteria would you use to segregate me?
Trying to make it look like it was my idea? :)) You're such a twister, G! You're the segregationist, the wall builder, so you tell me who is in or out and why, OK?
Visitor,
You DID say this (above): "Why don't we segregate YOU in an x-rated place? I mean ghettos are not exactly new to you, are they? How about 'kahal.org' or 'truebelievers.org(y)' where you could circle jerk about exterminating the real Semites, or Muslims for believing in God instead of the golden calf or one of your other hyper destructive pseudo religions. Or, you could bitch about the cheeky Goyim that refuse to submit and serve the master race without being interrupted by rude remarks."
So I'm asking you again: What criteria would you use to segregate me? It's a simple question.
My suggestion was to segregate people who exhibit extremist and uncivilized behavior.
What's wrong with that?
@Gully - hey, go easy on Visitor. The way things are going, dementia medication ain't cheap, or easy to come by.
Visitor has his own Post War Dream.
Axy the jungle man who set a Guinness World Record for learning English is here, yo! Guess where he learned everything else? http://tinyurl.com/d3sbfs Where's yer tool, Axy? http://tinyurl.com/afb44m
@Gullenberg /"My suggestion was to segregate people who exhibit extremist and uncivilized behavior. What's wrong with that?" Your arrogance and onesidedness. Or do you include "Axeman" here in the 'extremist and uncivilized' category? Or do you just want to segregate those that don't spout your narrative, practice your nasty Islam or hate whom you hate? "I'm asking you again: 'What criteria would you use to segregate me? It's a simple question'" it's a *sneaky question. my comments were a. a reaction to your arrogance, call it a counter proposal, and b., if you don't start your 'segregation speech' it wouldn't even have occurred to me to censor or segregate anyone.
@Visitor - Yup. Maybe one day your fellow tribemen might learn from the jungleman. Right now, they're setting a European record in their inability to learn English.
But,....that's understandable when Stan's hero (IQ & mental condition unknown) can't differentiate between an expat, a refugee(Udvar), and an immigrant(Simon). Shine On, You Crazy Diamond.
Btw, is our bet still on? Y'know, you practically guaranteed that Israel or Barry O would attack Iran in 3 months, and I gave you six.
Axie,
Israel is getting there. Read this JP article:
http://tinyurl.com/aowqrb
Don't miss the incredibly stupid comments (or talkback as they call it). Idiots just love the idea of attacking Iran.
@Stan - Israel's Dogs of War were ready a year ago. Question is whether Visitor is ready to put his Money where his mouth was, or is he just another Clown and Juggler.
I stumbled across this page...I read all the comments...I want to be er, sick!
Quasi-intellectual stuff..contenders trying to punch above their bodyweight!!
Stan, when he is in the mood, does present some good arguments, backed up with "primary source" evidence.
Vándorló has talent..but needs to step up a division. Get in with the "heavyweights"! Might take a kicking but he will be all the better for it.
The Musician
@The Musician - You read ALL the comments? Wow, you must be really bored!
In order to set as an example and not to be imitated my others, criminals should really be given a respective punishment for the crime, he conducted. Robbery is becoming an epidemic. Payday loan store robbery has occurred from coast to coast, and the number of them has been on the rise over the last two years. In 2007, an employee of a payday cash advance loan store was shot and killed while she worked alone. Another payday loan store was robbed in Indiana on April 17th. The number of violent robberies at payday loan stores keeps going up. Lenders, customers, and employees should all do all in their power to repair credit of the security in loan shops if it curbed the occurrences of payday loan store robbery.
